Wait a second, Paul. I think we have a slight disagreement about Truman and Bush.

Truman, as I recall, I put up to Roger, the only one of us alive and cognizant enough to know for sure if Truman was a "butt" or a "notabutt."

As for Bush: I REALLY dislike him as a president, but I recall that as vice-president he wasn't nearly as badly ridiculed as Agnew and "Potatoe"-head Quayle (the fact that Bush was probably involved in Iran-Contra and/or the "October surprise" of the 1980 election notwithstanding - we're talking about being the butt of a joke in this argument, not about dirty tricks or subverting the Constitution).

So, it seems to be to be either a 7 to 7 tie, or I am ahead 6 to 4. As the sages of our time say, "Uh-huh!"